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Eotech Mini Red Dot Sights, Vortex, Burris and Trijicon Red Dots

Eotech Mini Red Dot Sights                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               It makes a lot of sense to have a red dot sight on your handgun because after all, remember how easy it was to use your Laser Tag gun?  Yes, that did have a red dot built into it and it was fun and easy to shoot.   Most people think red dots are for rifles when in all reality, it’s because putting a red dot optic on a handgun is often a hassle and needs a gunsmith that most people don’t want to deal with the fact that they need a gunsmith and have to wait for it to get done.  We sell a lot of rifle and pistols sights and reference a local gunsmith so they can have them get put on fairly quickly.  Another hassle of having optics on your handgun is trying to find a holster that will mount the gun properly and protect the sight.   Other than that, it’s going to be much easy to hit moving targets and acquire them with an optic.

I will say that the vast majority of my experience is with the Trijicon RMR optics and they have a proven history of working, but just like we are seeing red dot prices for rifles come down, with companies like Vortex  $200 red dots and even Trijicon coming out with a commercial market $450+  red dot, people have found that companies like Burris and Vortex are really taking a chunk away from Trijicon with their own product line.   I will say that track records really matter because there is always going to be a failing point.  The companies that have ties to the military have the longest history of putting stuff out that lasts but there are always going to be pros and cons and definitely educate yourself on the warranties before you buy.   Eotech Mini Red Dots are also something to consider checking out but it’s always nice to find a place that you an look through before buying.  With sights like this there is always one that works better with your eyes and that’s how you should choose them.

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Optics can inhibit performance, that’s why Trijicon RMR sight’s clarity sells it

Trijicon RMR sightsTrijicon RM08GWe’re in the midst of some major technological advancements and you  can clearly see that with all of the flashlights that are coming out, output, run time, durability have all improved, but we’re also seeing major in the world of rifle optics.  We see illuminated optics on crossbows, solar powered red dots, everything is becoming quick detach and everyone is now getting into the red dot market.  That’s all fine and dandy for certain types of shooting, but if you want precision, you need clarity.

Everyone has their preferences in what they want, and what fits your level of shooting abilities is your decision, but many optics can inhibit your ability to be precise, especially for longer range shooting.  If your red dot is too big, or powered too high it can block your ability to see your target.  Trijicon RMR sights come in two configurations, the fiber optics/tritium or the adjustable LED.  There is something to be said for optics with variable power for low light or sunny days, but everytime I play around with all of these red dots out there and then pick up a Trijicon RM08G and see the level of precision and clarity of the triangle or the clarity  of the Trijicon RMO1 red dot, I see what’s still missing in the competition, I see a dot, not a bunch of fuzz.

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Eotech Holographic Sights in the Modern Market

Eotech EXPS2-0 Eotech 300 Blackout Eotech Holographic Gun Sights

 

I can’t confirm why it happened but I heard a credible rumor from one of my sales reps that there has been a shortage on Eotech sights because L3 shutdown their manufacturer facility to retool and bring in new manufacturing equipment.   I guess that means the new Eotech 512 sights that just came are right off the new tools.   I do notice that the body of the Eotech 512 does look a little more polished but other than that, nothing has changed.  It will be real interesting to see how the Trijicon MRO competes in the red dot market, but Eotechs seem to have always been kind of one foot in the red dot market and one foot out.

The thing that always sold me on the Eotech Holographic Gun Sights are the field of view.   Most military engagements are still under 200yds and air strikes usually for things further out than that, so the need for magnification is minimal.   Considering what the ballistics of the 5.56 Nato round is, it’s such a flat shooting round that there are no extreme hold overs under 400yds if it’s zeroed properly.   I do tend to lean toward the EXPS 2-0 Models since adding an Eotech Magnifier to the setup is much easier, but only if you are right handed, that is one reason Trijicon put the adjustment knob on the top of the MRO so maybe that’s something else Eotech is going to want to consider.   They also recently released an Eotech for the 300 Blackout so if you are running 300 Blackout, you have an Eotech option.

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Vortex Magnifiers, do you need magnification?

Vortex MagnifiersIn the last 20yrs of AR15 range experience, I’ve watch people go from heavy barrel 20 ” carry handle AR15’s with  Trijicon ACOGS mounted on them to Short barreled rifles (SBR’s).  The AR platform is an extremely versatile Carbine and it can be used for everything from varmint hunting, target shooting, home defense, or in your local police department. The ballistic variations also make it a versatile firearm because with the right ammunition, you can huge variations in performance. Once you have a lower receiver there are numerous upper receiver variations to choose from instead of having to buy multiple firearms.  The only other thing to consider is how versatile is your optic?

One thing that people often run into when they go to a shooting range and learn how to shoot at longer distances is that many red dot or zero magnification CQB optics actually inhibit your ability to see a target.  A 4 MOA red dot is going to make a 16MOA reticle at 400yds.  At my target range we have steel targets that are smaller than that and it’s not going to be easy to hit unless you consider using something like a Vortex Magnifier, Aimpoint Magnifier, Eotech Magnifier or the Mako Magnifier.  There are big differences in the way all of those mount on a firearm but not much difference in clarity except the Mako one.  In my humble opinion, the Eotech and the Vortex are the ones to think about.  If you want a more durable mounting system, you’re going to pay double the price of the Vortex VMX-3T if that’s what you need.  The other thing to think about is if you don’t want the magnifier on your firearm anymore, just take it off and use it when you  want to, there’s nothing to have to worry about when it comes to zeroing it back in.

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You should consider the Meprolight M21Reflex Sights

Meprolight M21 SightsThere are plenty of things to consider choosing from other than Eotech, Aimpoint and Trijicon, and the market seems to be adjusting to the fact that there are some pretty red dot optics out there from Vortex, Bushnell and several others.  There still is a difference between durable for shooting range use, and durable meaning going to war.   There are plenty of those durable range optics that are going to fail if you leave them out in the rain or prolonged humidity, that’s what all those military standards are for waterproof depths.  It actually means something in the real world.

I have to admit that I’ve never seen the Meprolight M-21 Sights at any of the range I belong to, but I can tell you I was the first person I know to own an LWRC M6A1, so it doesn’t mean you can’t be the first to acquire something really good.  The M-21 Bullseye is by far, according to our sales data, the most popular, probable because so many people have looked through an Eotech sight at some point that the reticle is an easy transition.  Not like these are IOR Rifle Scopes that I always felt awkward shooting through.  The Meptrolight M-21T for the Triangle reticle is a distant 2nd and we’ve mostly seen those on SBR ARs.   The Trijicon RM08-G is kind of a baby brother to this optic and if you didn’t know, Meprolight and Trijicon get their Tritium from the same place.

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What’s your price range and we’ll tell you, starting at $400 and up, Aimpoint Patrol Rifle,Me Eotech 512 or Meprolight M21

Eotech SightsAimpoint Patrol Rifle OpticsMeprolight M21 SightsThere are plenty of good deals that you can get on used optics, we’re actually thinking about taking in some used optics because in all reality, how much is a 2yrs old Aimpoint Patrol Rifle Optics worth?  I’ve purchased plenty of firearms that holster wear or were technically used, but probable had less than 500rds through them.   Optics really don’t loose value, or shouldn’t.   One thing you have to be careful about when shopping on Ebay or Amazon, is that sometimes if the price is too low, it might not be what you think it is.   There is a great post from Larry Vickers that had a student show up in a class and didn’t know he had a knock off Aimpoint.   Unless you have a friend getting divorced I doubt you’ll find any used Eotech, Aimpoint or Meprolight M21 for under $325 that is real or working condition so beware.

I understand the reason for red dot optics, but just never adapted to it, I see a lot of Special Ops guys running the Aimpoint T-1 and I get it, but my eyes track the Eotech Sights much better and the Meprolight M21 Bullseye is 90% of what an Eotech is with maybe 10% difference as far as Pros and Cons.   If you noticed, Eotech has discontinued several optics all due to the mounts that they use to have and now are sold with QD mounts.   That is something worth thinking about because a broken optic that needs to be removed with a tool is not something you are going to want to do under stress.    The Aimpoint Patrol Rifle Optic is probable the best of everything, longer battery life, night vision compatible, excellent mount, but do you need night vision?  The field of view is smaller with the Aimpoint Patrol Rifle Optic so for open range use that may mean something.  All of the above can get new or used in and around the $400+ or – range and all worth considering.

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Red Dots on Handguns, Why not, Trijicon RMR Sights and Burris Red Dots

Burris Red DotsWe saw the trend about 2yrs ago when everyone was calling us up looking for the Trijicon RM08-G sights.   It’s a great sight to put on a Trijicon ACOG and the clarity and precision is outstanding, but part of our customer base are competition shooters and even some Tactical Teams from local Police Departments have them on their firearms.   The hardest part about putting red dots on handguns is finding a good gunsmith that isn’t going to mess it up.  I’ve seen crooked optics on handguns before so make sure you do some research or go be referral before you send your gun off to be setup.

There are plenty of other options for users these days, just like we’ve seen Vortex clean up on potention Aimpoint customers, we are seeing a lot of demand for the Burris Red Dots, especially the Burris Fast Fire 3.   Like many red dots, there are different sizes of dots and they do make a difference.  The Fast Fire III is available in 3 MOA dot or 8 MOA Dot.  In general I suggest smaller dots for rifles and larger ones for handguns.   From My point of view, a dot too large can obscure your but at close range it’s easier to pick up and place on a target and for most people, much better than using iron sights, the only other issue you may run into is finding a good holster for it.

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Some Experience with the Vortex Magnifiers

VMX-3T-2TI’ve got a little experience with the Vortex Magnifiers that I can give some comparison and feedback for anyone interested in one.  First things first, and even our Vortex Rep said to us, these aren’t combat or military optics but they are pretty darn good.    I was able to compare the an Eotech Gen 3 and the Vortex, as well as My own older Eotech Gen 2 Magnifier.   I’m probable going to sell off My Gen 2 at some point because it’s pretty obvious to me that the lever you push to let the spring loaded release just begs to break.  I often say to people when they start mounting stuff on their firearms that “every screw comes loose and every part can break” and the fewer parts and screws you have the less you have to fail. The Gen 3 is kind of clunky but it just seems to be a better idea.

Now back to the Vortex option,  we get a lot of calls from people asking us if these are as good as the Aimpoint magnifier or the Eotech, after playing with Vortex 3mx-3t  I have to say that it seems to be all about the mounts, the clarity differences was almost zero, I did find that the eye relief was better on the Vortex magnifier than the Eotech but not by much, maybe 5% difference.  These make excellent target identifiers so you don’t have to call a cease fire on the range, just flip the magnifier over and you’ve got 3x.  These have been hard to keep in stock and several local Police Departments are giving us feedback about them so I’ll probable post a follow up at some point.

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Eotech Holographic Sights making some changes, Is it important to be able to remove an optic quickly?

Eotech Holographic Sights New Eotech Laser Battery CapAll you have to do is look at some of the real combat images and see that optics get shot off of rifles and sometimes concussion and shrapnel can damage an optic, for most of us this will probable never be an issue, but if you have learned to use a Carbine for defense purposes, how would you feel if your optic was dropped or hit by something and the lense was shattered to the point you couldn’t look through it, what if your optic had damaged electronics and it no longer functioned.   Sure you can send it in for warranty or repair, but what if you were in the middle of defending yourself or needed to hold off in attack or intruder.  Would you want to fumble around the house looking for a screwdriver or allen key to remove your optic?  I see Larue Tactical and Bobro Engineering mounts everywhere and they have outstanding reputations, but this year it looks like Eotech has discontinued a whole bunch of Holographic sights in their line for newer quick detach versions.

I was hoping there would be some major technological improvement to the battery useage but I still can’t seem to NOT like Eotech Holographic Sights.   I find the Eotech EXPS2-0 to be my favorite do to it’s size and especially, if you are using an Eotech Magnifier.  There are plenty of ways to get around buying the Eotech magnifier but there are definitely some quality issues.  I personally find the reticle to have improved clarity when using the model G33 Magnifier. The red dot market is changing and recently we have seen that L3 Inc has axed the  556, 553BLK, 553TAN, 516 and 517 for the new 518 and 558.  Also check out the new laser battery caps, there is a visible laser version and a civilian legal IR cap.

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It’s not just about quality, proper mounting of rifle scopes is extremely important

Rifle ScopesI don’t know how many times I’ve been in gun shops or sporting good stores where I picked up a new or used rifle and noticed the reticles were not level.  I can see how if you are working at Dick’s sporting goods and a sales clerk is told to put a scope a rifle he might just throw it on, but every year I am on a firing range during October-November, I see a large group of hunters show up shooting paper plates with groups that I would consider terrible and they go home thinking it’s good enough.   Well it might be for a 100yd shot, but it’s an almost definite miss at 200yds and if you know your rifle optic is level, it’s all science and knowledge of ballistics that will make it a hit at 200yds.   If  you have a range finder and mark of territory when getting into a hunting position, just about any 30 caliber hunting rifle from 30/30 level action to a pump 30/06 can be effective well beyond 100yds.

I’ve done a lot of target shooting just using hold overs and in the real world this is probable a very effective way to learn to hunt and shoot instead of having to dial in MOA clicks which can cause you to lose out in an opportunity.   Having a good cheek weld have proper height scope rings can also have an impact on being able to quickly acquire a target.  I’ve never been a fan of large see through scope rings because in my humble opinion it can through off the balance of the rifle.   I mostly see that on lever actions but if it works for you, that’s your decision.   If you don’t have a level then just find an open area of  your home, lay your rifle down on pillows and find a table or flat surface that you can align your horizontal crosshairs on  your rifle scopes to.  This is how I’ve done most of my leveling and I’ve done well at 600yds without windage issues when I had to make scope turret adjustments.

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